liz_marcs ([info]liz_marcs) wrote,
@ 2008-04-22 19:52:00
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OH JOHN RINGO NO!
With all the business about this kind of skeevy crap (not to mention the fact there's a massive case of failboat here), is it wrong that I'm perversely pleased that OH JOHN RINGO NO has become a catchphrase ([info]hradzka must be proud!)?

No, seriously. It's not everyday one is present at the birth of an Internet meme and has the commenting record to prove it.

What? Don't look at me like that.

Anyway, Unfunny Business on Journalfen is going a bit of a round-up on the business.

As for me, I only have one question:

Why is it that whenever someone (usually male) decides that it's time to get "sex positive," it's invariably the women who need to "get over their issues" so they can participate? Also, why is it that they're the ones who usually end up at the receiving end of whatever insane little "sex positive" experiment is being done?

Strange how that works, hunh?

Look, if a woman says the idea of such a "sex positive" experiment (read: giving men a free pass on treating female-type people like meat) is skeevy, it does not mean she's "got sexual issues," or "lacks a sense of humor," or is "anti-feminism."

What it means is that she reserves the right to do one or all of the following if you pull that shit on her:

1) Mace your ass

2) Rip your nuts off

3) Call the cops and press sexual assault charges

It also means that she (and I imagine quite a lot of men) don't like it when complete strangers grope any part of their anatomy, erogenous zone or not.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some people that they don't get that?

That said, seeing OH JOHN RINGO NO plastered all over this tempest has had me giggling like a loon all day (much love to [info]the_red_shoes for using it first in reference to this).



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[info]minim_calibre
2008-04-23 12:09 am UTC (link)
I think we all need OH JOHN RINGO NO icons.

(I was laughing too hard at [info]hradzka's post to have any street cred proof, but OH JOHN RINGO NO made my day today during the discussions.)

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[info]liz_marcs
2008-04-23 12:10 am UTC (link)
Seriously man. It's beautiful to behold, especially in this context.

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[info]honorh
2008-04-23 12:49 am UTC (link)
I feel dirty just having read the OH JOHN RINGO NO entry. That's some loathsome shit right there.

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[info]butterflykiki
2008-04-23 01:00 am UTC (link)
Dittoing Honor, I couldn't get through it. Far too upsetting. I don't believe in burning books, but this crap... Jeeeeez. OH JOHN RINGO NO. I just want to hurt him. A lot.

Why is it that whenever someone (usually male) decides that it's time to get "sex positive," it's invariably the women who need to "get over their issues" so they can participate? Also, why is it that they're the ones who usually end up at the receiving end of whatever insane little "sex positive" experiment is being done?

You have no idea how hostile this whole thing makes me feel. Hostile, hostile, hostile. Would [info]theferrett be this okay if he was being cruised by guys who were, proportionally, as much larger than him as the average guy is larger than the average girl? I think not. And if everyone was telling him he wasn't 'positive' enough about his sexuality and self-confidence for not participating? Grrr.

*hostiles hostilely*

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[info]zoethe
2008-04-23 03:16 am UTC (link)
I wish people could understand that the whole point was not to pressure anyone into doing anything. On the contrary, we applauded just as much for the women who said no.

Ferrett wrote it up badly, yes. But the assumption that it must have been terrible for women is insulting when so many of us have expressed that it was exactly the opposite.

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[info]kurukami
2008-04-23 02:27 am UTC (link)
Gyaaaaah. I don't glance at LJ for a day and teh interwebz go all 'splodey. You know, I clearly must have far too busy a work day. I always only find out about these things AFTER they've blown up and over.

*considers* ... of course, that may well be a GOOD thing.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2008-04-23 02:28 am UTC (link)
The Open Source Swift Kick to the Balls project is a good response. :D

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[info]kokuten
2008-04-23 04:02 am UTC (link)
my off-the-cuff response was 'what the hell? no it isn't!'

Initial analysis reveals that the mere _existence_ of this project makes me feel uncomfortable and threatened. (I am a male - I possess the appropriately-named 'balls')

Cogitation upon this reveals the humor inherent in that feeling, and shame that women are made to feel that way.

Followup analysis and comparison of the stated goals of both projects reveal serious inconsistencies.

1) The OSBP was opt-in
2) The OSKTTBP is opt-out

Further followup analysis suggests that the opt-out vs. opt-in discrepancy is intended to note the peer pressure and intimidation factors assumed to have been experienced by the women involved in the OSBP.

Intuition suggests I'm rambling, I'm shaking because I need to eat something, and I should either post comment or stop typing.

And my schedule reminds me that I have chores to do, so I'm gonna hit the button now.

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[info]drmercurious
2008-04-23 02:32 am UTC (link)
I just came back from reading the posted link about this so-called experiment.

...

I think all us right-thinking men out here should form the Castrata Experiment. We should all go around, find people who actually THINK that the former experiment is harmless and chop their dicks off, thereby eliminating them from the gene pool. Who wants to join, anyone?

Yes, I'm pissed. There are some decent guys out there, more than are given credit for, and then some slimy so-and-so pulls something like THIS.

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[info]a2zmom
2008-04-23 02:43 am UTC (link)
I still can't believe that people think there's something wrong with women for not wanting a bunch of assholes to grope them.

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[info]idhren24
2008-04-23 03:05 am UTC (link)
I thought that userroniliquidity in particular did a good job clarifying my thoughts on the issue when responding to usertablesaw: there's a lot of value in speaking up and confronting these issues publicly in an articulate way. In fact, having to articulate why one doesn't agree can deepen one's understanding and commitment to one's principles.

I learned a great deal from the really good comments on that post. That being said, there were some 'OH JOHN RINGO NO' moments in the comment threads too.

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[info]kokuten
2008-04-23 03:15 am UTC (link)
First time commenter - I think. I may have commented during Strikeout, and I know it's why I'm following your journal, Liz.


I don't get it.

I don't understand why this is a Bad Thing.

My current hypothesis is that I'm coming into this way too late, and not seeing some chronological development on the part of the actual [info]theferret output, that ties this together in a more rage-inducing way.



What I'm trying to say here, is that I would like you to attempt to say something that would explain the badness here to the ignorant, because I'm certainly a member of that category.

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